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Sleeper Service · Aug 20, 2007, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Your insults were understated in the way you presented anyone not agreeing with you as falling under one of the many denigrating categories you described.

You defend yourself saying it was directed agaist the OP and if I have a problem with that then its directed at me too?

Insofar you sole aim on this thread has been to underhandedly treat people who only want more options in armour choice (for various different reasons) as either fat, ignorant, neglecting, whiney, or just plain stupid.

You want to feel clever and treat people like shit on a game forum while walking as close to the ban line as possible thats your problem, don't delude yourself for one second that your true charming troll like personality isnt shining through though.

Deep Sea Diving · Aug 20, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

I wasn't aware that guild wars is a family game or aspiring to be an ideal family enviroment.

B E A S T · Aug 20, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Deep Sea Diving

I wasn't aware that guild wars is a family game or aspiring to be an ideal family enviroment.

Exactly, which is why it is rated "T" for teen, not "E" for everyone.

haggus71 · Aug 20, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

I see a lot of people talk about accommodating all players, and I just would like to say:

IT'S NOT THEIR JOB!

Yes, some are offended that just about every female ranger and paragon armor shows a midsection. That amount, however, is insignificant to the tons of teen/tween gamers that Anet and others aim for. It's about demographics. They are a business. If they spend their time re-skinning armors every time someone farts, they neglect(even more) areas that need attention, like pvp and pve gameplay, skill balancing and GW2 development. It's not like they have a hundred-man graphics design department on-call to mod that armor for you. If you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one. Just ask the Democrats.

The last time I checked, this was a fantasy game tailored to teens. Yes, teen males, though there are a lot more women I see playing this game than other games. Their idea of fantasy is not an Afghan woman in a Burkha.

As someone said, if you want character realism, get The Sims or Second Life. Heck, the chars in EQ2 would fit your sensibilities better. You can complain. It's your right, and that's what forums are for. I just think that in this case if you are complaining about this, you might be in the wrong game.

Dervish Gnome · Aug 21, 2007, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by B E A S T

Gotta love how the OP abandons this thread when more and more people disagree with her, lol.

I have this thing I like to call a life. You must know of it? Going to movies, hanging with friends? Anyways! My apologizes for not being on Guru 24/7 to rebuttal all the nay-sayers who are basically just agreeing with eachother or completely reiterating one another.

As for your quote...I have not abandon this thread. I do the occassional check to get a good chuckle, but I see that the thread is carrying on nicely without me having to repost my feelings, views, or anything else.

People are always going to disagree, it's a fact of life...*yadda yadda* I started this thread with my opinion and others have answered me with their two cents. I applaud all those who believe deep within their minds that they are the only ones correct, but in the end their posts are viewed by me as nothing more than other opinions.

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Originally Posted by A11Euro

Stop taking your insecurities out on the gaming community. If you feel that you're not up to the "standard" of a video game sprite, then go outside and do some running...lose a few pounds, get a tan, and feel better about yourself. Stop sitting on the computer eating your ding-dongs bitching on an internet forum about not being able to play as a couch potato mother of three with thunderthighs and cankles.

"Insecurities"...classic. I like the personal attacks since they describe me so well, but wait! What is this? I'm not a couch potato or a mother with thunderthighs and cankles? D*mn! You're wrong? Instead I'm a 19 year old female with an Air Force husband living in a new state while my husband is off playing war. So I like to pass the time by doing yoga, kick boxing, and playing Guild Wars. Sorry, I do not eat sweets...I hate soda...and drink nothing but water. Guess what? I'm in great health! "nutritional therapist" Silly! I'm going to college to be a Physical Therapist. How could you not know that? Oh that's right! Because you don't know me.

Oh but do keep up the attacks...I find them hysterical and they brighten up my day.

To others...don't care about midsection I just don't care for the side-boobs (here I go again reiterating myself). Yes! Congrats there are other options but most of those options are not "pretty" nor are many what I would call affordable. If the slutty armor can have "pretty" material then so should an affordable less slutty alternative. You have issues with this I'm guessing? Yes? Why shouldn't you? I mean here I am practically forcing you to wear nothing but modest armor...oh, but no I'm not. I'm asking that alternatives be added...hell! I'll even purchase a freaking upgrade called "Nun armor & More Alternatives" (if Anet would ever do such a thing) that way I can get my modest armor and all the nay-sayers in this thread wouldn't have to purchase the upgrade thus you wouldn't be affected. Sound good? Probably not because someone is going to continue with "The human body is beautiful". Okay, so an obese woman in a thong bikini is going to be "Beautiful"? I'd say not. The human bodies on Guild Wars are beautiful. "You're attacking Anets Artwork"...if I were attacking it I would be critizing their armor in a more violent way instead of simply asking for other options...do you see anywhere on here where I am demanding that all "crude" armor be removed? I think not.

You have another error to point out in my suggestion? More than likely. I'm sure anyone can think of several errors with my request...allow me to type some.

Anet doesn't have the time to work on this...they have GWEN and GW2 to worry about
It's just a freaking game! Stop being so insecure. (This is a classic)
There are alternatives...deal with those!
OMG! I LIKE BOOBIES! KEEP THE BOOBIES!

Still not satisfied? Then by all means continue...you're more than welcome to.

I do want to give a special thanks to those who have been extremely active in this thread. A few that come to mind are Curse You, Sleeper Service, The Lurch, MithranArkanere, and draxynnic.

Thank you for keeping the thread rolling.

Shuuda · Aug 21, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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there are other options but most of those options are not "pretty" nor are many what I would call affordable

Wrong, I've looked through every armor on the game, and a part from paragon, All proffessions have some decent modest, and good looking armors. And 15K isn't too pricey.

Examples:

Warrior - 1K Templar (Otherwise known as knights armor) IMO is one of best Female warrior armors in the game.

Ranger - Kurzick, a bit more than most 1K armors in price, but I think it's better than the 15K version, also Elite Canthan is wonderful.

Monk - Well, onks have a lot of good one if you look at them, Canthan, Elite Sunspear, Elite Kurzick, Censors armor

Necromancer - 1K Fanatics is one of the best I've seen for female Necros.

Mesmer - Mesmer outfit awesomeness speaks for itself.

Elementalist - Tyrian, Elite Canthan, Flameforged, Anicent. Anyone who says eles have bad modest options are just plain wrong.

Assassins - Remember that any skimpyness on female sins is reasonable due to their need for flexablity, but even so, Kurzick, Vabbi, Elite Imperial, Shing Jea, and Anicent are all well covering.

Rt - Anicent, Cathan, Imperial.

Dervish - All of them but Vabbi.

There, some examples for nearly all proffessions for good, cheap, modest armors options. Naturally they are all in my opinion, but if your still not happy about your options, I just think your being a bit too picky.

spellsword · Aug 21, 2007, 01:37 PM // 13:37

That the modest armors aren't pretty is a subjective opinion, and as that doesn't warrant a change imho. Personally, even though I might not like the style of some armors, I think that all of them look good.

I could just as well argue that the ''sexi'' armors aren't pretty enough, or that there isn't enough of them (just look at the poor dervishes, with one exception, their armor shows almost no skin) and we need more of those instead.

the pretender · Aug 21, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

This is a goddam game not a job interview, dress however u want dont make it worse for other player. ill be good if they make more amors that look like little christian girls. but dont change thea one that we allready have

draxynnic · Aug 21, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Assassins - Remember that any skimpyness on female sins is reasonable due to their need for flexablity, but even so, Kurzick, Vabbi, Elite Imperial, Shing Jea, and Anicent are all well covering.

Actually, in my opinion, skimpiness on assassins is actually the silliest of the lot. The last thing you want when skulking around in the shadows is a flash of pale skin...

Pretender, I think my dissing the assassins above is the closest anything on our side has come to suggesting changing any existing armour. It's the naysayers who keep putting those words in our mouths.

Barrett · Aug 21, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

you say that
but think of this for the warrior
Dragon/wyvern , 1k templar/knights , platemail(and 15k) , charr(and 15k) , kurzick(and 15k) , canthan(and 15k version) , sunspear(and 15k version) , ancient , obsidian and primevil thats pretty much every single armor set there is for warrior about the only armor sets you could complain for warrior are Gladiator which is obvius because gladiators only have part armor coverage as they aint knights.

Now Assasin Thats Obvius Cuse An Assasin Has To Be Quick So They Wouldnt Wear Loads Of Clothing!.

Mesmers Aint Really That Bad They Tend To Wear Dresses So What.

Dervish pretty much nothin to complain bout 1armor set which you could slightly complain about.

Necromancers Aint Very Bad Unless You Count Tattoss But Why Should Females Not Have Tattoo Armor If Males Do.

Monks Pretty Much Same As Necros Not That Bad Only Tats Armor But Males Have Tats Too.

Rangers Theres Only About 5armor sets you could complain About.

Elementalists You Could Probly Complain About That But Really Alot Of Armor Sets Just Show Legs.

Paragons Well The Males Look Like It Too So Females paras would not look rite if they had armor nothing like males.

And TBH for people who dont agree with the armor that your complaining about theres almost always a set that doesnt show anything for each prof

ravensong · Aug 21, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

There is only two ways u can prevent it Dervish Gnome!

Either buy only non-revealing armors .....or join a monastery!!!

TedTheDead · Aug 21, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

*I did not read all 12 pages of this thread just the first few posts...*

Unfortunantly this one is a lost cause, they do not feel there is anything wrong with the visuals they have made. For example, I had a character name banned for the word "boobies" in it because I assumed if they had hooker outfits for every single female armor set the word "boobies" would not violate the "character name" clause in the user agreement. I used their own content as a judge for what was acceptable and what was not. That was rather silly of me it turned out.

When I posed this point to them, they did not feel there was anything at all wrong with the visual content they have provided but still felt my name would make, in their words, users "uncomfortable" and had to rename the character. My wife-to-be wont even play anymore after the Nightfall Elementalist armors came out. Rather hypocritical if you ask me, not sure how a word like boobies outdoes Jora's "whole package" being on display but...

End Result: Most gamers are 14-18 year old males, and sex sells (ANet developers stopped JUST SHORT of that sentence in an interview I read not too long ago). Thats really what is at work, not morals or a desire to make all users comfortable. The female gamer is not important to ANet when content is generated, because male gamers are the significant demographic and that is who they want to attract. Not saying its fair, but it is how it is (I wish it wasnt so I could get my fiance to beat Prophesies finally). Until women outnumber men in GW, you will see nothing but thongs, underwear and anti-gravity bras in GW.

Solar_Takfar · Aug 21, 2007, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Look at it this way (and I'm sorry if someone has already mentioned it, I don't have the time right now to read the 12+ pages): Women are more flexible and agile, and benefit from having less bulk in armor so they can dodge and make what would be a square hit into a glancing blow. Meanwhile, men are heavier and would better just stand in place and let the armor absorb some of the blow.

of course, we all know that the real reason is sales. so there will always be a lot of skimpy female armor, even if anet decides to add a few concealing ones to please the "concerned female gamers".

Shuuda · Aug 21, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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My wife-to-be wont even play anymore after the Nightfall Elementalist armors came out

No offence, but that's where I draw the line between having an opinion, and just overreacting.

TedTheDead · Aug 21, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

No offence, but that's where I draw the line between having an opinion, and just overreacting.

Please explain that response.

Those NF outfits literally make the characters look like harem girls, you know, sex-slaves of times past. She thinks its inappropriate and does not want to have to see it every times she goes into LA. It dosnt bother me seeing them, but I can definantly see how she does not like it enough to just play another game.

Sister Rosette · Aug 21, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by TedTheDead

Please explain that response.

Those NF outfits literally make the characters look like harem girls, you know, sex-slaves of times past. She thinks its inappropriate and does not want to have to see it every times she goes into LA. It dosnt bother me seeing them, but I can definantly see how she does not like it enough to just play another game.

And I suppose magic that defies God, armies of demons and undead, and rampant piracy, murder, and corruption don't bother her?

Saraphim · Aug 21, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Ok, I'll admit I haven't read all of the posts but a few points.

1. I quite often see posts claiming that most gamers are teenage males, this isn't, and never has been, proven in any surveys.

Here's a few links:

http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php
http://www.theesa.com/facts/gamer_data.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h..._uk/html/3.stm

I could find more, (and more up to date) if I honed the search a bit, but I'm supposed to be working.

2. Another erroneous view is that few women play games (see above links).
If anything, MMO style games tend to appeal more to women / girls than your average FPS because of the social networking aspect of the genre.

3. All the armours are skimpy or exploitative.

I'd say it's a fairly even spread when it comes to armours. Sure, there's the skimpier efforts such as Vabbi or Elite Sunspear - taking elementalist as an example) , but to balance off that you have Elite Canthan, Flameforged, Ancient. There is a choice. The same can probably be said of pretty much all the professions.

Here are my girls. They have a mixture of armours, my ele has both skimpy and modest sets, I can choose what to put on her. I'd hate to not have that choice.

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there are other options but most of those options are not "pretty" nor are many what I would call affordable

Sorry, but I disagree entirely on this. I don't consider any of the armours my toons are wearing to be ugly (though I will concede this is a matter of personal taste) , and as for affordable.... I never farm, yet I've managed to get 15K or combinations including it, for almost all of my girls, just by playing through the game. It can be done.

Oh and btw, I am neither male, nor 14. I'm a 39 yr old female gamer and I have no problem with Arena.net's marketing tactics or the amount of armour choices in the game.

MithranArkanere · Aug 21, 2007, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by TedTheDead

Please explain that response.

Those NF outfits literally make the characters look like harem girls, you know, sex-slaves of times past. She thinks its inappropriate and does not want to have to see it every times she goes into LA. It dosnt bother me seeing them, but I can definantly see how she does not like it enough to just play another game.

Ahem.
By saying that, you say that anyone dressing in a way that makes your wife-to-be envious is a meretrix?

Harem girls dressed like that because of FASHION, FA-SHI-ON. Not because they were harem girls. Bautifull and rich girls dressed like that. And Harem girls were dressed as Rich beautifull girls.
"It is not the cowl that makes the monk"
Since you THINK on that kind of things, you THINK that they dress as 'harem-girls'. It's all in your mind, your perverted, repressed mind. People just choose the armor they like most, buy it an play. Nothing else.

Stop already with the overreacting and the nonsense.
What's your next plan? Going with a baseball bat menacing girls on the beach dressing bikinis? Ohhh! Evil tiny pieces of cloth!

Geez.

TedTheDead · Aug 21, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

And I suppose magic that defies God, armies of demons and undead, and rampant piracy, murder, and corruption don't bother her?

Thats storytelling.

Ghost Omel · Aug 21, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Good point Sister drinking you forgot as well i think those are more offensive then tight skirt or seethrough one please you can find lots of things wrong with any Rpg game and last time i read Creators of the game specificaly sad they WANT their Characters to look SEXY